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 Transitioning Modern Decks into Legacy

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MessageSujet: Transitioning Modern Decks into Legacy   Transitioning Modern Decks into Legacy Empty18.07.19 11:05

Je ne ferais pas l'affront d'ouvrir ce thread dans la section modern Wink

Voici néanmoins, un petit article innocent trouvé sur reddit : Transitioning Modern Decks into Legacy

Je me permets de le retranscrire ici pour les intéressés, qui pourraient se motiver à joueur les deux formats du club avec plus ou moins le même deck :

"Modern is a... format of Magic. And if you are on this sub, you may be looking to get from Modern to Legacy, or have already considered the switch but were turned off by the idea that "Legacy decks cost $3000."

The belief that Legacy is prohibitively expensive to people playing Modern, however, is something of a misconception (I mean, it's something of a Misconception in general, there are 28 Archetypes which have made MTGTop8 you can build for cheaper than Jund in Modern {And I can post that list in a little bit}). Many decks in Modern can either full transition, or transition into a functional budget deck to try the waters, in Legacy on the relatively cheap. Therefore I thought I would make a guide on transitioning decks for people who have Modern decks who wanted to try out playing Legacy.

Before getting into what cards you need to transition your Modern Deck to Legacy, though, I wanted to explain a bit of my nomenclature.

"Budget" refers to decks that are not a full Legacy deck, but are functional. If a % is included it indicates that its a certain % of a full legacy deck in terms of functionality.

"Full" refers to full legacy decks.

"Full Variant" refers to a full version of a real variant of the deck, even if that deck is cheaper or somewhat less standard.

"Fancy" Refers to a deck that is not only full, but includes some additional expenses only found in "fancier" variants of the deck.

"{More Expensive}" Refers to decks where building the Modern deck from scratch would cost more than building the entirety of the full version of the Legacy deck from Scratch (so even if I'm showing how to transition to a budget version, the full version with RL cards is still cheaper than the Modern deck in question).

"- xxxxxx" Indicates an explaining comment, or modifier on the deck. It often indicates what specific variant of the deck it is.

Decks Names will be bolded if you are looking for a specific one.

All card prices are in USD, and based off of the cheapest price one could reasonably find the cards at (for any price density) on TCGPlayer.

Now Without Further Ado, on to the decks:

UW Control:

UW Control {More Expensive} --> Miracles (Budget):

+4 Brainstorm ~ 2

+1 Council's Judgement ~ 16

+4 Ponder ~ 4

+4 Swords to Plowshares ~3

+4 Terminus ~ 10

+2 Back to Basics ~ 18

+2 Monastery Mentor ~ 56

+1 Prarie Stream ~ 1.30

Total Cost: $110.3

Using Force of Negation ($140) in Place of Force of Will: $250.3

U/W Control {More Expensive} --> Miracles (Full - 1 Tundra)

All of the above cards (except negation) in addition to:

+4 Force of Will ~ 340

+1 Tundra

+1 Karakas ~ 18

+1 Council's Judgement ~ 16

Total Cost: $484.3 + 1 Tundra

UW Control --> Stoneblade (Budget)

+4 Stoneforge Mystic ~ 120

+1 Batterskull ~ 13

+1 Umezawa’s Jitte ~ 13

+3 True-Name Nemesis ~ 40

+4 Brainstorm ~ 2

+4 Ponder ~ 4

+4 Swords to Plowshares ~ 3

+3 Spell Pierce ~ 1

+1 Counterspell ~ 0.5

Total Cost = $196.50

Using Force of Negation ($140) in Place of Force of Will: $336.5

U/W Control --> Stoneblade (Full - 1 Tundra)

All of the above cards (except negation) in addition to:

+4 Wasteland ~ 120

+4 Force of Will ~ 340

+1 Tundra

Total Cost= $656.5 + 1 Tundra

Humans

Humans {More Expensive} --> Death and Taxes (Budget 90%)

+9 Plains

+4 Swords to Plowshares ~3

+4 Flickerwisp ~ 1.5

+4 Mother of Runes ~ 7

+1 Palace Jailer ~ 3

+3 Phyrexian Revoker ~ 3

+3 Karakas ~ 55

+4 Rishadan Port ~ 37

+4 Wasteland ~ 120

+1 Batterskull ~ 13

+1 Umezawa’s Jitte ~ 13

+4 Stoneforge Mystic ~ 120

Total Cost = $375.5

Humans {More Expensive} --> Death and Taxes (Fancy)

All of the above, in addition to: +1 Sword of Fire and Ice ~ 50

+2 Recruiter of the Guard ~ 40

+2 Sanctum Prelate ~ 20

Total Cost: $485.5

Humans {More Expensive} --> Legacy Humans

+3 Karakas ~ 55

+4 Wasteland ~120

+2 Imperial Recruiter ~ 62

+1 Mirran Crusader ~ 0.5

+1 Orzhov Pontiff ~ 0.75

+1 Palace Jailer ~ 3 +1 Sanctum Prelate ~ 20

+1 Tomik, Distinguished Advokist ~ 0.25

+4 Mother of Runes ~ 7

Total Cost = $268.5

Humans {More Expensive} --> Maverick (Full - Variant - Dual-less)

+4 Wasteland ~120

+4 Mother of Runes ~ 7

+4 Swords to Plowshares ~ 3

+4 Green Sun’s Zenith ~ 32

+1 Dryad Arbor ~ 13

+4 Knight of the Reliquary ~ 8

+1 Scavenging Ooze ~ 3.50

+4 Windswept Heath ~ 56

+4 Other Green Fetches ~ 90

+1 Karakas ~ 18

+1 Qasali Pridemage ~ 0.5

+1 Scryb Ranger ~ 3.5

Total Cost = $354

Dredge

Dredge {More Expensive} --> Manaless Dredge (Full)

+1 Flayer of the Hatebound ~ 0.15

+4 Golgari Grave Troll ~ 4

+4 Ichorid ~ 1

+4 Nether Shadow ~ 4

+4 Phantasmagorian ~ 0.4

+3 Shambling Shell ~ 0.6

+4 Street Wraith ~ 7

+4 Cabal Therapy ~ 3

+4 Dread Return ~ 2.5

+4 Bridge from Below ~ 16

Total Cost = $38.65

Dredge --> LED Dredge

All of the above in addition to:

+4 Cephalid Coliseum ~ 8

+4 City of Brass ~ 26

+3 Gemstone Mine ~ 48

+2 Mana Confluence ~ 20

+3 Breakthrough ~ 0.25

+2 Careful Study ~ 1

+4 LED

Total Cost: $95.25 + 4 x LED

Burn

Burn {3-4 Times More Expensive} --> Burn

If you don't already own legacy Burn if you own Modern Burn... Why not? There is basically no reason not to. The deck is like 1/3rd the cost to begin with, and to build it from modern is like less than $15 bucks. Just look up a decklist online, and go.

Affinity

Affinity --> Old School Affinity

So, this isn't a particularly popular legacy deck anymore. That being said, I've played it before as a Modern --> Legacy transition and can personally vouch for the fact it is meaningfully viable. The key is that it was a great budget way to try legacy (before chalice was $$$) and now is a great stepping stone between Affinity and Steel Stompy, which lets you spread out the price over time while still getting to play. If people want more details on the deck, I can provide them in the comments. Anyway:

+4 Seat of the Synod ~ 2

+4 Vault of Whispers ~ 0.5

+4 Ancient Den ~ 7

+4 Ancient Tomb ~ 84

+4 Chalice of the Void ~ 220

Total Cost = $313.5

Old School Affinity --> Steel Stompy (Budget - Traitorless)

+3 Tree of Tales ~ 2

+2 Lodestone Golemn ~ 2

+4 Mishra’s Factory ~ 0.2

+4 Crystal Vein ~ 1.4

+3 Lotus Petal ~ 17

+4 Thorn of Amethyst ~ 64

+3 Phyrexian Revoker ~ 3

+1 Karn Scion of Urza ~ 14

+1 Umezawa’s Jitte ~ 13

+4 Walking Ballista ~ 56

Total Cost = $486.1 (from Legacy Affinity)

To Finish Steel Stompy, swap in 2 City of Traitors for 2 Crystal Veins.

Eldrazi Aggro

Eldrazi Aggro --> ELDRAZI AGGRO (Budget 85%)

+4 Ancient Tomb ~ 84

+4 Crystal Vein ~ 1.4

+4 Eye of Ugin ~ 30

+1 Urborg tomb of Yawgmoth ~ 13

+2 Endbringer ~ 1

+4 Endless One ~ 2

+2 Walking Ballista ~ 28

+2 Karn the Great Creator ~ 20 (NOTE: No Mycosynth in the Sideboard)

Total Price = $179.4

To Finish: +4 Wasteland ~ 120, + City of Traitors

Total Price = $299.4 + City of Traitors

Eldrazi Tron

Eldrazi Tron {More Expensive} --> Eldrazi Post {Budget}

+4 Ancient Tomb ~ 84

+2 Crystal Vein ~ 0.7

+4 Cloudpost ~ 1.5

+4 Glimmerpost ~ 0.3

+3 Eye of Ugin ~ 23

+3 Vesuva ~ 63

+1 Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth ~ 13

+2 Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger ~ 48

+2 Sorcerous Spyglass ~ 3

+2 Ugin the Ineffable ~ 6

+3 Grim Monolith Replacements, Basalt Monolith? ~ 3

Total Cost = $ 245.5

+3 Grim Monolith ~ 390

Total Cost = $634.5

To Finish:

+1 Karakas ~ 18

+2 City of Traitors

+2 Trinisphere ~ 91

Total Cost = $743.5 + 2 City of Traitors

Grixis Death Shadow (GDS)

GDS --> Force-Less Dual-Less Grixis Delver

+4 Delver of Secrets ~ 4

+4 Wasteland ~ 120

+4 Dreadhorde Arcanist ~ 28

+2 Gurmag Angler ~ 0.6

+2 True-Name Nemesis ~ 26

+3 Young Pyromancer ~ 3

+4 Brainstorm ~ 2

+4 Daze ~ 2.5

+4 Ponder ~ 4

+2 Spell Pierce ~ 1

Total Cost = $191.10

GDS --> Grixis Delver (Full)

All of the above cards in addition to:

+4 Force of Will ~ 340

+3 Volcanic Island (Though going to even 1/3 is about 87% there)

+3 Underground Sea (again, going to 1/3 gets you about 87% of the way there)

Total Cost = $531.1 + 3 Volcanic Islands and 3 Underground Seas

GDS --> Grixis Control (Dual-less)

+4 Brainstorm ~ 2

+4 Ponder ~ 4

+2 Gurmag Angler ~ 0.6

+3 Hymn to Tourach ~ 0.4

+2 Jace the Mind Sculptor ~ 200

+2 Narset parter of veils ~ 6

+2 Liliana’s Triumph ~ 0.2

Total Cost = $213.20

GDS --> Grixis Control (full-variant)

+4 Force of Will ~ 340

   Duals (You need to be able to fetch at least every color combination, some lists run more duals, some less, most with a blue bent).

Total Cost = $553.2 + Duals

Tron

Tron (preferably B/G) {More Expensive} --> Turbo Depths

+1 Bojuka Bog ~ 2

+4 Dark Depths ~ 88

+1 Sejiri Steppe ~ 0.03

+4 Thespian's Stage ~ 8

+3 Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth ~ 40

+4 Crop Rotation ~ 10

+4 Vampire Hexmage ~ 1

+4 Duress ~ 0.12

+4 Thoughtseize ~ 45

+4 Lotus Petal ~ 22

+3 Pithing Needle ~ 4

+1 Sylvan Library ~ 28

+3 Sylvan Safekeeper ~ 21

Total Cost = $269.15

Tron --> Turbo Depths (Full)

+4 Verdant Catacombs ~ 220

+Bayou (1 is enough, more is popular)

+Dark Confidant (in some decklists, but usually with great success)

Total Cost = $489.15 + Bayous + Dark Confidants if you want

Tron --> Twelve Post (Budget - Happy Post)

+4 Ancient Tomb ~ $84

+3 Blast Zone ~ 9

+1 Crystal Vein ~ 0.35

+4 Cloudpost ~ 1.5

+4 Glimmerpost ~ 0.3

+4 Thespian’s Stage ~ 8

+3 Vesuva ~ 63

+4 Chalice of the Void ~ 220

+3 Karn Scion of Urza ~ 42

+3 Ugin the Ineffible ~ 9

+3 Voltaic Key ~ 3 (There was some new card that came out that does this effect as well, consider looking into it)

+4 Thran Dynamo ~ 20

+3 Trinisphere ~ 150

+4 Lotus Petal or Basalt Monolith ~ 5 (Basalt is better for tall, Lotus for powering out early lock pieces)

Total Cost = $615.15

Tron --> 12 Post (Full)

All of the Above in addition to:

+4 Grim Monolith

+1 City of Traitors

Total Cost = $615.15 + 4 Grim Monolith + 1 City of Traitors

Infect

Infect --> Infect (Budget)

+2 Berserk ~ 22

+4 Brainstorm ~ 2

+4 Daze ~ 2.5

+4 Invigorate ~ 0.5

+4 Ponder ~ 4

+2 Spell Pierce ~ 1

+1 Sylvan Library ~ 28

Total Cost = $60

Infect --> Infect (Full)

+4 Force of Will ~ 340

+Tropical Islands (1 to start)

Total Cost = $400 + Tropical Islands

Amulet Titan

There just isn't a transition for this deck. Sorry.

Valakut

There isn't really a transition for this deck either, but Maverick uses the same fetches generally.

Grishoalbrand

Grishoalbrand --> Tinfins (budget - No Duals)

+4 Shallow Grave ~ 36

+4 Entomb ~ 28

+1 Children of Korlis ~0.3

+4 Lotus Petal ~ 22

+4 Brainstorm ~ 2

+4 Ponder ~ 4

+2 Careful Study ~ 1

+4 Dark Ritual ~ 2

+1 Tendrils of Agony ~ 1

Total Cost = $96.3

Grishoalbrand --> B/R Reanimator (Budget)

+4 Animate Dead ~ 4

+4 Exhume ~ 4

+4 Reanimate ~ 36

+4 Entomb ~ 28

+4 Lotus Petal ~ 22

+4 Unmask ~ 21

+4 Dark Ritual ~ 2

+4 Chancellor of the Annex ~ 18

+1 Iona Shield of Emeria ~ 10

+1 Tidespout Tyrant ~0.5

+2 Cabal Therapy ~ 1.5

Total Cost = $147

To Finish Acquire Badlands.

Hollow One

Hollow One {More Expensive} --> B/R Reanimator (Budget)

+4 Animate Dead ~ 4

+4 Exhume ~ 4

+4 Reanimate ~ 36

+4 Entomb ~ 28

+4 Lotus Petal ~ 22

+4 Unmask ~ 21

+4 Dark Ritual ~ 2

+4 Chancellor of the Annex ~ 18

+1 Iona Shield of Emeria ~ 10

+1 Tidespout Tyrant ~0.5

+2 Cabal Therapy ~ 1.5

+4 Griselbrand ~ 60

+2 Thoughtseize ~ 23

Total Cost = $230

To Finish add Badlands (2 of them ideally, 1 is a good start).

** Collected Company a.k.a. Podless (CoCo) **

CoCo {More Expensive} --> Maverick (Full - Variant - No Duals, though Even with duals can be cheaper than CoCo)

+4 Wasteland ~ 120

+4 Knight of the Reliquary ~ 8

+1 Knight of Autumn ~ 2

+4 Mother of Rune ~ 7

+1 Palace Jailer ~ 3

+1 Ramunap Excavator ~ 3

+1 Scryb Ranger ~ 3

+4 Thalia Guardian of Thraben ~ 44

+4 Sword to Plowshares ~ 3

+4 Green Sun’s Zenith ~ 32

+1 Sylvan Library ~ 28

+1 Dryad Arbor ~ 13

Total Cost = $266

Elves

Elves --> Elf (Budget)

+1 Archon of Valor’s Reach ~ 0.5

+2 Birchlore Rangers ~ 1

+1 Craterhoof Behemoth ~ 29

+1 Fyndhorn Elves ~ 1

+4 Quirion Ranger ~ 8

+4 Wirewood Symbiote ~ 1.5

+4 Glimpse of Nature ~ 40

+4 Green Sun’s Zenith ~ 32

+3 Natural Order ~ 44

Total Cost = $157

Elves --> Elves! (Budget 95%)

+3 Crop Rotation ~ 7

+1 Gaea's Cradle

Total Cost = $164 + Gaea's Cradle (1 and crop works)

Merfolk

Merfolk --> Merfolk (Budget - No Force)

+4 True-Name Nemesis ~ 52

+4 Chalice of the Void ~ 220

Total Cost = $272

Merfolk --> Merfolk (Full)

+4 Force of Will ~ 340

+4 Cavern of Souls ~ 240 (if you don't already have these)

Total Cost = $612 (+$240 if you don't have Caverns)

Hardened Scales

See the Section for Affinity

Death and Taxes

Death and Taxes {More Expensive} --> Death and Taxes (Budget - 95%)

+4 Wasteland ~ 120

+4 Rishadan Port ~ 37

+4 Mother of Runes ~ 7

+1 Palace Jailer ~ 3

+2 Phyrexian Revoker ~ 2

+4 Stoneforge Mystic ~ 120

+1 Batterskull ~ 13

+1 Umezawa’s Jitte ~ 13

+3 Karakas ~ 55

+4 Swords to Plowshares ~ 3

+2 Tomik, Distinguished Advokist ~ 2

Total Cost = $ 385

Death and Taxes {More Expensive} --> Death and Taxes (Full)

All of the above in addition to:

+2 Sanctum Prelate ~ 20 (Note, these numbers vary by decklist)

+2 Recruiter of the Guard ~ 40 (Note, these numbers vary by decklist)

+4 Cavern of Souls ~ 240

Total Cost = $685

Bant Spirits

So... Look into Bant Stoneblade (and Bant decks in general) first. There is a High Tier deck out there, but it just isn't well established right now. The other option is to part-scrap the deck, and look at building Maverick (if you have green fetches) or Miracles (if you have Blue fetches). In both cases though, you don't have that many cards.

Jund

Honestly, if you can afford to play Modern Jund, are you truly that budget restricted? If you really are though, there is a Legacy Jund deck. It's in a lot of flux though with Wrenn and Six now added and Deathrite Shaman banned. You can also Partscrap and build something with your fetches and other cards, ie. Turbo Depths or Aggro Loam. If you love the Grindy Playstyle, and are on less of a budget, look into 4-Color Loam style decks.

Pheonix Decks

It honestly surprised me how few cards from this Archetype see play in Legacy. Like, Scalding Tarn from U/R Does, but in decks like Show and Tell. UR Delver is a deck, but you are missing a lot of cards to build it. Neutral

Bonus Decks (taken from the comments of the original post

Mono Red Stompy

Mono Red Stompy --> Dragon Stompy

Just buy some Ancient Tombs, Crystal Veins, and Chrome Moxes. Then Swap in City of Traitors for Crystal veins as you acquire them.

Goblins (Thanks /Diogenes Cane)

Legacy goblins and modern vial goblins are now merging into similar decks.

There aren’t consensus lists for either of these decks, however, the general things you’d need to make the transition are:

+4 [[Goblin Lackey]] $46

+4 [[Wasteland]] 140 (could possibly get for under 100 on ebay or tcg low)

+4 [[Rishadan Port]] 45

+4 [[Gempalm incinerator]] 1.2

+1 [[Goblin settler]] 48

More expensive versions exist that utilize White or Black, so you would need to plan for that accordingly (usually a single badlands with fetches and a single swamp would do)

Bogles does not have a transition.

Abzan Midrange most likely can be transitioned into Maverick very easily, if your decklist is something like the "Abzan Value" decks on MTGTop8. The additions from the Abzan Midrange deck that top 8-ed at MKM recently are:

+4 Thalia Guardian of Thraben ~ 44

+4 Mother of Runes ~ 7

+4 Sword to Plowshares ~ 3

+4 Green Sun’s Zenith ~ 32

+1 Sylvan Library ~ 28

+1 Dryad Arbor ~ 13

+1 Abrupt Decay ~ 3

+1 Scryb Ranger ~ 3

+4 Wasteland ~ 120

Total Cost = $253.

Things to "finish": 2x Stoneforge, 1xJitte, 1xSoFi, Duals as necessary.

If you have Older-School Junk a-la White Jund, then things are tougher.

Tooth and Nail can look into building Enchantress (check out decklists).

8-Rack apparently ports into Pox well.

And with that I will be bringing this to a close. If your deck wasn't mentioned in the list but is a real established Modern deck, consider mentioning it in the comments, and I can potentially advise. Furthermore, if people wanted me to do a broader thing on specific archetype sets, ie: Transitioning Modern Control to Legacy, I could also do that as well.

Notes:

   You may have noticed that I didn't include any Prices for many reserved list cards. This is as such cards can vary greatly in their prices depending on where and how you buy. As a general-ish Price guide based upon my experience looking at prices in person at GPs or SCG Opens in the past year, and based upon lower 25% recently sold ebay listings:

Gaea's Cradle - $220

Bayou - $150

Tundra - $160

Savannah - $80

Underground Sea - $300

Scrubland - $100

Volcanic Island - $260

Tropical Island - $150

Badlands - $130

Grim Monolith - $100

City of Traitors - $120

For purchasing Reserved list cards I really recommend buying them from Vendors at Grand Prixs or SCG Opens, as prices are generally somewhat lower, and you can inspect the quality in person. (I can talk about more about buying in comments if people want).

2) You may have also noted that in the most budget version of decks with Force of Will I trimmed the card. This is... somewhat controversial depending on the deck. That being said, I think there is a valid logic to setting it aside initially. Firstly, it's by far the most expensive non-land pickup for many of these decks, but is also not necessary for basic deck functionality. Furthermore, Force of Will is most important in Combo Matchups (and is often boarded out in fair ones) and you are going to blow those matches early on due to lack of experience with or without force. Meanwhile in fair matchups since the card usually comes out, so not having it is not that big of a deal. As such I think holding off the card until either you know you like the format, or just for the sake of spreading out costs is a very valid course of action. Furthermore, you can pick them up over time (rather than all at once), and since they are non-RL they may get reprinted lowering their price.

3) For those of you in Europe, Card Prices are generally cheaper on MTGcardMarket Smile.

4) Every Legacy deck mentioned (excluding Old School Affinity) is a well established deck which has put up prior tournament results, often at the GP level.

5) All Modern deck considered were what I could best surmise as the current "standard" decklist for the deck in question. The key though, is not whether you run detention sphere or not in U/W Control, but that you have the Fetch-Snap-Jace backbone.

6) On Running Shocks instead of duals in Legacy, some decks would rather run the Tango-lands like Miracles, but in general in terms of gameplay, running Shocks instead of Duals is equitable to running off color fetches in Modern. It's not that big of a deal, and is more impactful in low to the ground fair aggro-tempo decks than it is in Combo or Control ones.

7) You may have noticed a lot of Maverick and Death and Taxes in my transition recommendations. That is because more of their cost is tied up in creatures, and certain lands, which modern players tend to already own. Simply put, Modern is a creature heavy format, so many decks will transition to the most creature heavy legacy decks.

Cool Most of these decklists do not include sideboards. Sideboards can vary to an extreme degree in Legacy, and therefore were too difficult to generalize. They also don't tend to represent a significant cost (unless they are surgical heavy) since cards like Disenchant and Massacre get run which have either had many reprints, or see little play outside of Legacy sideboards."
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